How To Live Your Life Fully with James Heppner

James Heppner is an energetic prairies boy who relocated to Vancouver so he could experience the ocean more often.  He now enjoys biohacking and creating stretching experiences that take him further and faster without hurting anyone.

James is a serial entrepreneur who builds the companies he needs most in the world. In 2015, He launched Heppner Results Coaching to help people like himself break through old challenges, create meaningful breakthroughs and Impactful Achievements.  Heppner Results Coaching is a purpose-driven and results-oriented company focused on helping people that are focused on creating something of beneficial value to the world through authenticity, personal ownership, precision execution, and heartfelt gratitude.  James wholeheartedly believes Heppner Results Coaching has the Imperative to serve and support people to embrace and utilize their unique humanity so that they in turn can share and serve the world with their collective gifts. 

In October 2015, James discovered something unique.  He created an Uplevel Your Life System for himself that finally stopped the never-ending cycle of anxious striving associated with personal development.  Their first value-based client learned how to embrace their humanity in a more authentic way... and in 60 days a New Joy and New Fulfilment had taken hold. (with no external situation change)!   Since then, James has guided many people, all with different situations to the same results with no external situational change.

Passionate about his family, and physical wellness (an avid cook and biohacker with a lab that includes modalities like whole-body cryotherapy, ozone etc), James lives in Vancouver with his wife and 2 boys.  

Raw energy and playful curiosity have fueled his life’s work as an artist of experience.  His open embrace of participating with life exactly as it is, opens people to reshaping their future with clarity and vibrant passion.  He brings out the best in others and see's & understands them for who they really are.   

​People from different parts of the world find James when their way of handling and embracing both wins and losses just no longer works, and when leaving 50% of life on the table is no longer an option.

Connect with James for a free 45-minute consultation, find his Friday calls, and much more on his website: https://www.jamesheppner.com/

Transcript

Magic Barclay: 1:00

Welcome back to a Magical Life. I'm your host, magic Barclay. Today, James Hepner joins us. James likes to think of himself as an artist of experience. His passion is to create transformational experiences for himself and others as a way to explore what it means to truly live. Fully alive. James is a results coach and founder of Weekly Wins and Losses podcast and weekly global community call. He helps people in their journey to embrace all of life, both the wins and the losses equally. James helps you firmly establish the mental and physical courage needed to do difficult things while guiding you to activate your ability to leverage the good news that lies at the heart of both a win and a loss. People from around the world find James when their way of handling losses. Just no longer works, and when leaving 50% of life on the table is no longer an option. James's current client list ranges from well-known professionals and executives to average ordinary humans, both of which are deeply hungry and curious towards the worthy work of breaking into and establishing a brand new dimension of life. Wow. Welcome James.

James Heppner: 2:30

Thank you for having me on, and it was an honor, uh, to be invited onto your show. And by the way, your name Magic, that's spectacular. So let's see what we can create together.

Magic Barclay: 2:41

Thank you. Now look James. I always ask my guests the same three questions and everyone gives me such a different answer. It's kind of amazing how diverse people are. So here's your first one. What can your expertise do to accelerate health now, not just physical health, but also emotional and spiritual health?

James Heppner: 3:03

Hmm. What can my expertise do? That's fascinating. Some people, they ask me, James, are you an expert at anything? And you know, to be completely honest, in another, part of my life journey, not at present, but over a decade ago, I would've, so I'm an expert here, there, and a few places. And so, I have learned in life humbleness is probably ultimate state of leadership. But, you know, if you ask that question, I, I would say I. Uh, you know, one of the things specifically when I think about, you know, mental and physical health, Gosh, we live inside of our life. We don't live inside of another person's life. And so inner acceptance and, and I think so often, uh, acceptance is just a word and it's a, it's a catchphrase, but I think beneath acceptance lies tolerance. And so if we cannot. build the inner musculature to tolerate in a joyful way what we observe. I think there's a problem. And, uh, and so to accept is to tolerate and to enjoy tolerating and to, you know, unfold in real ways and to observe what that looks like and then to say, wow, that was in there, you know? And so I think to get playful with the presence that we actually all are. Instead of being so harsh. And of course, harshness leads to shaming and blaming, which never tends to work. So yeah, my work tends to have a bend towards a whole bunch of inner work and inner work. Of course. is the thing and is the power that, creates anything from the external, especially if it's, if it's, if it's gonna be sustainable, it's gotta come from within. So, thanks, that was a great question.

Magic Barclay: 4:37

Talk about wealth here. Now people think that's just the financial wealth, but you know, we miss the personal and emotional wealth, kind of the personal growth, I guess. Mm. So what are your top three tips to creating wealth? Hmm.

James Heppner: 4:53

Very simply, I would say. When you align with the foundation of life, life supports more of life at current. I'm looking at your logo, there's a hand, and then there's some sprouts coming from it. Life supporting life, and so you must. Be about regeneration. You must, participate, with the ecosystem of regeneration. So that's number one. And so that's like you say, wealth, physical, mental, financial, whatever it ends up being the next, piece that I would say is very important. And that is we must have a leaning towards that life owes us nothing. Life owes us nothing. We end up realizing we are wealthy because wealth is abundant. It's everywhere. It's not a bank account. Wealth, often people will look at it as a sometime down the road experience, however arrival happens at birth. And the next one, when I think wealth, wealth is a state of mind, so there's a lot of state of mind here, but. The concept is, and I repeat these things to myself every day. I've created these things and that is nothing traps me. Everything frees me. So wealth is a decision and when something happens in your life, you get to participate with it. and that is to utilize it or you get to be about trying to eliminate. And I course when we try to eliminate things in life and that are present, it seems not to work very well if we try to flee our presence. It just seems not to bode well for us or anybody else around us. So,

Magic Barclay: 6:20

I just wanna sit with that comment for a minute about decisions. I think people in general, I think we kind of shied away from making decisions and really taking ownership and leadership of the direction of our lives. Why do you think that is?

James Heppner: 6:40

Gosh, that's a great question. I think just in my opinion, I think humanity, we all understand that without decision, nothing happens. The only thing is there's a, there's a wide divide between decisive decision and decision. Decision is just simply saying, well, I'm gonna decide to do something about this. But a decisive one is one that brings. A decision into action and a decisive decision is a non-negotiable decision. A decision that isn't decisive lacks that absoluteness and absoluteness. Not to say we're gonna plow things down and plow people or self or traumas over because we have to be gracious. We have to lean in. We gotta, you know, we've gotta be sensible about things. But I think. ultimately I think we as humans, and I don't think that we mean to sidestep reality or fast track too quickly. I think most of us value that if we get to be a and, and sorry if we get to be a, a part of something and participate with it. We all know that that brings meaning and value, but I think there's an anxious striving in. Society and it's, it's kind of, I at least have observed it seems like there's an undertow. and the anxious, striving, you know, supports people away from being present. And so they want things quicker than maybe what is there. They fear they're not progressing fast enough. And so I think, I think a lot of it has to do with, just fearing that we're not, again, we're not progressing fast enough. And I got a little, you know, a little tail, like one of the, people that come to mind and I, I study many people, but the one group of people that I think are pretty interesting, the Jewish people. The Jewish people, you know, when it comes to Sabbath, Sabbath is an act of rejection for them. It's not an act of restriction. And so I think oftentimes, see we've, I think we've mellowed down, the importance and the power of decision. I.'cause a lot of, I think North Americans variety of decisions comes through the lens of, well, I probably should decide on this, and so I should restrict myself away from certain things. And so, for example, when it comes to, you know, Sabbath, you know, uh, I don't have a leaning towards whether to work on a Sabbath is good or not. I just think, for example, Western society, if we think of secular Christianity in, in North America, what does that look like? I mean, you know, they have a Sabbath too, but, If it's restriction, what does, what does the human want to do? The human wants to not do that. So if you say, I can't do something, the human typically says, well, now I wanna do it. But the Jewish people, when they were in slavery and they finally were freed from that, they made a pact that for them not working on the Sabbath. So whatever that looks like, like a six in one rhythm, you just unplug for a bit when you do that. Um, I. That is our decision, our decisive decision to wrap around the idea. That we don't need to consume create more so we can consume more. So I think, I mean, I'm going in a few different directions, but I think a lot of it has to do with fearing that we're not getting far enough and then fearing we're not getting far enough is hard baked into production and we fear we're not producing enough, so we can't consume enough. So I think it's a bit of a gluttonous concept, honestly.

Magic Barclay: 10:07

Interesting answer. And look, James, we talk here about weight loss as well. This is our final standard question before we get into being fully alive. And I guess it kind of leads into being fully alive because many of us live our lives fearing weight or trying to change weight. So have you ever battled with your weight, if so, What was the trigger to losing it and what can you offer the listeners who may be on this journey and you know, it's just stopping people being fully alive. I.

James Heppner: 10:43

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a fantastic way of languaging, uh, the question. And I like how you add a few more nuance than just simple weight loss. Right? And there's something behind the weight loss. Gosh. You know, I think magic, you, you say to anyone, including you say to your own body, I'm gonna lose weight. The first thing the body wants to do when, when it hears lose, it thinks, no, I don't, I don't think I wanna lose. You know, it fears that. And so there was a season in my life when, I gained probably 30 pounds and didn't really know what the problem was. So, of course I continued along the lines of, consuming supplements from a certain company, consuming their meal replacements and not knowing what was behind it all. You know, what was interesting is in a different season, this company really actually helped me lose weight, but now I was weight. I couldn't figure out what the problem was. One day my wife comes home and, she says to me, and we come from a heritage where there was a lot of gras made with creams and different things. And then she says, you know, I think we're gonna bring some fats back into our diet. And I said, oh, baby, that's, that's not what we want. Like, I, I've got too much of that. And, uh, so she introduced me to this individual and I, I, um, began to consume quality fats. Grass fed butter, for example, grass fed, grass finished butter, and some healthy oils. And lo and behold, my energy just skyrocketed. And, uh, of course on the concept of living fully alive, and I can't think of anything other than if, if there's not an energetic flow through our veins. We tend to question how fully we're capturing the moment. And so not to be of when we don't have energy that, that we won't, you know, be able to grab all of what is here for us. The word grab me is, you know, is interesting, but, but yeah, no, I've absolute, so I, of course, when I started ingesting fat, to be honest, I lost 35 pounds and I was so invigorated. I, I, at point in time captured and I chose a workout modality and it was really simple. Like, it's super, super. So I'm a people, they, they call me, the self-help hacker. and part of that is because I also love biohacking. And so in self-help, I, I, you know, we, we get real quick down to the base, uh, and foundational note of, of why you do what you do. And so when you can find the master switch and flip it. You get real quick on results. And so, to say the least, so though I lost 35 pounds of fat, I have now regained 40 pounds. But it's not fat, it's something different. So my body looks a little different, I feel. It's not about the look. I just feel great and, and my passion and health is not. For some significant purpose for appeal. Uh, it is so that, you know, I have the stamina, I have the state to show up when I'm most needed, and I got two teenage boys, so they, they really enjoy running around and playing football and Frisbee and all kinds of fun things. So

Magic Barclay: 13:37

I really wanna talk about what it is that you do with your clients and. Can you just explain what Fully Alive looks like?

James Heppner: 13:50

Well, as the listeners will probably pick up by now, my gender. So I just, I will classify myself as male and, I married a female and my journey was, Like, I think for most people who show up primarily in their masculine state, so you can be female and also show up in masculine state. And I also have femininity'cause we, as a specific sex, we have all the sexes within us. So I can choose to, to, to flow within the feminine presence of the masculine. And let me just say it like this. I think to some degree we all crave in hunger to have. Life means something for us to have purpose. And often the masculine presence, the first half of life is to produce and to bring and to provide and, at least in proverbial term. That's, that. That was how I saw my role. And when, when primarily that no longer worked and I gained most of my value through that. I mean, let's be honest, in 2008, rolled around in the real estate crisis, um, you know, was upon us. I was in the real estate sector. I owned a few companies in that industry. Of course, what I'm gonna be able to bring home is a little different. And I began to question my value. And I remember feeling things like, well, I'm losing now or I'm not gaining what I thought I was going to gain. And there was a lot more of the perception and also real losses than gains and wins. And, To be totally frank, I checked it a life for two and a half years. I slept. I found a way successfully, I don't know how, but I slept 18 and a half hours a day. I shouldn't say I don't know how I consumed a whole bunch of melatonin and gravel, and that was part one of my story. I now live in part two. So for the last decade, uh, I've had an insatiable love with life. And to be frank, I actually. Enjoy being on living ground, on living ground, which is to feel it all and enjoy it all and experience it all instead of trying to eliminate. So what kept me in that, you know, dystopic state for so long for two and a half years was trying to eliminate.'cause I was trying to stay in my masculine element not to feel appointing what I was feeling as the problem. Perhaps I was the problem. And so let's say it like this, I, during, during that season and when I erupted from that season and when I transferred into where I currently am, as I said, I have an insatiable love of life, not in a, you know, an oh, I got it all figured out state, but it's just, I really, really, really genuinely enjoy being able to participate with everything that's in front of me and not choosing preference. not just saying, I want the things that I have preference for, but I also want the things that I don't have preference for and the reason that I want those things in my life is I am not nature. I am not God. I'm not universe. I'm part of, I. And, and I have to find a way and have the courage to say, I must harmonize around nature. I must harmonize around something bigger. I am not the thing. I'm not ultimately the thing. And so, during that season when I transitioned, from one way of living, meaning mostly external, I began to build a relationship with the intrinsic parts of myself, and I lean heavily on just observing my wife and her feminine element. And to be totally honest, listeners, if you care to, at some point in time either doing this talk or after, go online and just type in, go to the Google how or whatever search engine you're on, and type in emotional wheel and print it off and ask yourself the question, which of these emotions do I feel frequently? What, what we find in, in, in, whether it's North America, around the world. I have clients from, from all over the, uh, you know, planet, to be honest. What we find, and this is consistent, I find with all my people that there's a limited scope and range of emotion and to the exact degree that you can feel emotion is to the degree that you're gonna feel life. Like, think about it, somebody who gets cremated or buried or whatever the case is, they're no longer emotionally here with us. They can't feel, so if somebody can't feel, we call them brain dead or we have these labels for them. The, the idea that you want to get behind is when you observe that emotional wheel and you take a pen and you circle the emotions that you feel and you realize which emotions you don't feel and typ. Typically, there's like, perhaps, you know, eight to 10 categories Most people want to feel. Or say they feel joy and perhaps a little sadness. and so it's maybe two or three of the categories that they have active, time of non anxiety inside of, or even anxiety is a feeling. So some people say like, well, I have an anxiety, but I wanna get away from it. And really, anxiety is what uncertainty actually is. So don't get me wrong, if we stay stuck in an emotion, that's a problem. But every emotion, the purpose behind it is to prime us. Proper action for the next movement. So living fully alive for me, let's just say it like this. When I, when I exited from part one of the story about suffering and into where I currently live, I remember thinking one day, if I would consider most people, I. The way I observe, and my dad was a pastor of a mega church, so he would often visit the, the people who were dying and he would, you know, he'd come back and, and, and, you know, after he'd sat with them, you know, at their bedside and then they passed on, he would say things like, oh, this human had his moment. And I remember thinking, what does that mean? And, as I studied it more and as I talked with him about things, he said, you know what? I think they, I think they just lived, I think they just finally woke up, like, life looks like this. And so consider, you know, when somebody passes away, they'll often say things like, oh, I love you so much and I wish I would've spent more time with you and may perhaps not worked as much, or different things. And what's interesting is in that moment, they begin to realize, Running from death doesn't work. running away from the death, or the idea that things aren't gonna work out exactly as I thought. How most of us live life, to be honest, like we create an idea, for example, we're gonna get married to start a business or whatever we're doing, and we don't realize that the inevitability of. This thing dying or the concept of it turning out exactly the way we thought. It never happens. So we literally need to do, in practice having a funeral for the concept of how will it go? It doesn't turn out the same way. And I think what I'm trying to say here is building a muscle towards when it doesn't work out. Building that early and often in our life. And we have invitations to do that everywhere because like I said, anything you plan out, no matter how strategic and laser pointed you get, it'll never be exactly the way you thought. And so to build a muscle for it now means that you actually begin to realize, I'm feeling all these things and instead of saying, I don't wanna feel them, well, what. Does it help doing that? If you say you don't wanna feel it, you're just probably gonna feel it more. You are gonna have to create more willpower. The more willpower you draw down, the sooner you're gonna feel exhausted. You have sphere power or you have this, this persona, this, this, this willpower, like, To like willfully just plow through, has to give rise to another layer of regeneration that's there to support you. And so living fully alive for me is simply to say, and there's many things, but what comes to heart for me right now, what I, what I hear myself care about most is that we develop a relationship. A healthy relationship with all emotions.'cause they're actually all helpful. You know, it's time. You know, it's a time to love and a time to hate. It's not either or, it's both. And so while we love something, we simultaneously don't like another thing and people say, well if it's, you know, love is great, but hate is dangerous. Well, both can be dangerous. You can weaponize both. If you get stuck in love. Just like love, love, love meaning all I do. All I do, all I do is just make sure you're okay. Love isn't like that. Love is to say, um, what's happening inside of me now? Am I giving and receiving to myself at the exact same time? Am I feeling love? And love is when it happens, when receiving, giving comes together, and even when it comes to hate, like what do I hate? Like if you don't actually hate something, you're probably not gonna take action. You're just gonna lay in in your creature comforts. So again, hate is not a state of being. Hate is an emotion we feel for a moment so that it primes us. To take the next proper action. So I dunno if that answers your question, but living fully alive to me is just like feeling everything and utilizing everything.'cause nothing is wasted on this earth. Nothing. But we get to decide if something will be wasted.

Magic Barclay: 22:20

I think we also shy away from some of those. Feelings that maybe me feel uncomfortable. You know, we try to make everything convenient. We try to make everything happy and wholesome and feeling great, and we've kind of, as a human race, my observation anyway is I. That we don't want to feel the uncomfortable side. You know, we don't wanna be cold, so we put the heater on. We don't wanna be hot, so we put the air conditioner on. We don't wanna have a difficult conversation. So we avoid it, we avoid the confrontation. Uh, you know, we just try to keep ourselves. Just right. And to me that's not truly living. You have to have. Mm-hmm. You know, the polarization. You have to have the icky feeling about something. Mm-hmm. And the difficult conversations.

James Heppner: 23:14

I love that. something that's just stirring inside of me. When you say we don't want, it's so interesting. We're living and because we're here, you'd argue because people aren't just checking out. We that we actually are admitting by default, by how we're showing up that we want to be here. So if we want to be here, then it's kind of silly to think that we wouldn't want to do what life is. Life is breathing in and breathing out. When you breathe in, you take it in. When you breathe out, you let it go. Every time you breathe out, you're dying to something. Your cells are never staying the same. I'm not the same person who I was 15 minutes ago. There's certain cells that have died, certain cells that have started coming to life. So the rhythm of life, harmonizing with life, the reality and the truth. I mean, I gotta be careful when I say truth, but I, I do believe this is universal truth is that there's a life, life death cycle and it isn't, which one's better, which one is good and which one do I want more than the other. It's like actually the only way that I can actually. see clearly what's here, and that's the first step. See, clearly what's here is if I say, well, the reality is that I breathe in, I take in, and then I let go, and then I, so certain things die, like they go out and then I take it in again. And so each moment we get to gasp that we get to participate with not, oh, I want less life or less death so I can have more life. Life isn't possible to your point, unless there's polarity. Polar polarity creates the synergy that makes anything come alive. Think about, you know, people often say, well, I want to, you know, be on ground that isn't shaking. Actually, without things moving, it's dead. If things stop vibrating, it's dead. There's just nothing there.

Magic Barclay: 25:05

now you talk about wins and losses, and we've kind of touched on that. To feel loss is not necessarily negative. We've kind of touched on that. What is it about wins and losses? The, I guess the balance of things that's so important to. Your clients, why, why are they seeking to embrace wins and losses?

James Heppner: 25:32

You know, magic, I think you get it.'cause I can hear in how you language the question. I think you get it. you know, it's like my, my son's my, my, my second son, he's 15 now, Harrison. He has high functioning autism and his second name is gray. And so often we say we want either black or white, and you know, the human puts and induces him or herself or itself into deep suffering, learned helpless behaviors when it is forced to decide which one's better. Is this one better than the other? You know, an animal, for example, a dog. only ever when observing, when looking around is looking for where is there greater safety or where is there greater danger? It's all that it's doing constantly when it's looking around. You and I as humans, we can go into another state, which often happens, like I'm just staring straight ahead and there's a set of doors in front of me. I'm not thinking about are the doors safe, are they dangerous? I'm just observing the doors and so. What's fascinating, and by the way, the reason that I coined it, wins and losses. This is what the survival self is constantly analyzing. Am I winning or am I losing? Is this good? Is this bad? That's what the survival state is doing. Now, granted, we have to go beyond survival state at some point in time and quite quickly, but we first have to reckon what a survival state is doing to finally give ourself the opportunity to see something other than just making a choice away from some perceived danger or towards some perceived place of, of euphoric bliss. So in the center, in the middle of these two things lies gray and people say, what? So we're gonna just feel nothing. Just feel like, not feel the loss, not feel the wind. Actually, it's opposite. We actually want to feel the deep wind. We want to feel the deep loss because the deeper we feel things, the more we can connect with what's going on. Unless we feel it. We don't learn lessons unless we feel it. We don't pick up on nuance unless we feel it. That affects. Our empathetic state, not only towards yourself, but when other people experience things. Imagine this, if you feel nothing and somebody says, this is a big deal, and you say No, it's just, it's really nothing. It's, it's, you know, it's just kind of in the middle. It's nothing. What we're talking about, the middle here is a sacred ground where instead of you're just like peacefully floating away in some utopic storyline or in the cloud somewhere, which by the way, if that's what people are interested in, have fun. That's just not me. Uh, for me, peace is from within instead of peace being out there somewhere. Like, wouldn't it be nice if I could take a vacation or that's external piece, internal piece comes for me in my definition and the reason that my people want it as as much as they do is firstly you, you mentioned it earlier and that is When onboarding losses, the way that they're, that they're currently doing, it isn't working out. It's no longer an option, meaning they've mined so much of the wins and they're looking for more success externally, everywhere, even internally, everywhere on the outside of them and what they're not realizing. It's like acres of diamonds right in front of them. And so invariably people that find me are just sick and tired. Of, trying to sedate themself and provide themself. The illusionary, wink, that, that perhaps if we just keep doing the same thing and people invariably get tired, they just say, we, you know, now we need to be in a state of being. I. Being is a little different than just doing the masculine presence, brings things and does the feminine Presence is a receiver and is a creator of things. And so we want to develop both of these, but to the point on, you know, bringing these things together. Bringing it together, the way that we look at peace from the inside. Ultimate piece is when we have electrifying peace. So it's not like we're just like closing your eyes and we're just like gone. Like, I was on a podcast a little while ago with this girl who was a Buddhist monk and she's, meditate, what you say, 16 hours a day for years and years and years. And she came to the realization that, No matter how long she meditated, you still gotta come down to earth. You still gotta like, So you're here, you're here for a purpose. And so for me, it's like this, we get into a state of peace, and that that there's a surge of power. If you think about taking electrical wires and putting them to water, your body's 80% on water. So electrifying peace that we feel from within. So, To be totally honest, I think you'd have to talk to my clients to see ultimately why they wanted to connect with me, um, and why they do this work. But I'll say it like this, majority of people, they want to build a, a, a muscle where they activate their superpower. Whether it's someone who's, you know, identifies as a female who wants to be able to onboard the masculine presence and do more of that, they have it in them, but they wanna develop that muscle. Or if it's a man, so a male who wants to activate more of the feminine spirit inside of him and that you ultimately living fully live is when we activate both of those and then we get to decide what's the most beneficial state to show up in. Is it that I need to be nurturing here that's more of the feminine, or do I need to be a little bit more assertive perhaps? I'm not saying a, a woman isn't, a feminine isn't assertive, but it is to, to decide which state to utilize. That of course, won't just solve for your own self preservation because if you're doing that, you're just creating a storyline where, where you're controlling people to your perceived outcome. And people will feel this, and when they feel it, they're gonna flee. Because as soon as we recognize anybody's trying to control us, it's a version of slavery. And so autonomy and freedom is what we all fight for.

Magic Barclay: 31:07

And just on that, without getting too controversial, why is it that the current generation, oh, I guess the current generations, Don't see autonomy as the golden value. Like why are we so believing of media and of political figures and of entertainment figures? Why have we shied away from our own personal truth?

James Heppner: 31:40

So beautiful and perhaps it lies in the nuance. I stumbled into something a while ago. The difference between autonomy and freedom is quite radical, to be honest. I didn't know this until when this appeared.'cause exactly like you're saying. Like we wonder why is it that there, that society does this and it doesn't make sense. It seems so contradictory. Like, we're like this, this just doesn't. These things don't check out. The definition for autonomy is saying, I wanna do what I want to do when I want to do it without any consequence. So the zero respon, I, I, I don't wanna be responsible for anything. I just wanna do what I wanna do when I want to do it without consequence. And to be honest, that's what a lot of people are currently doing. They say they're fighting for freedom, but really they're delivering autonomy. They're being autonomous people. It is like a child. The child says, I just wanna do, I want to poop. When I wanna poop. I wanna scream. When I wanna scream. I want to like yell when I want to soother and I want there to be no consequence. Okay. Like, don't, don't rep, don't reprimand me, or don't not come to see me, like come to the crib instantly. Okay? That's autonomy. Freedom is something that is way beyond autonomy. Freedom does this. Freedom says there's something within me. There's a passion that's here, and I happen to know that for me to activate this passion and bring it into the world, because it's my specific passion and unique obsession that I have, it's probably not gonna be understood. It might not be understood very well. So whether it's understood or not, the point is freedom says, and I choose to be responsible. For it and to it. Therefore, a lot of people say they're fighting for freedom, but in essence, freedom is way too challenging for most people.'cause freedom, demands and commands responsibility. And it may mean that people laugh at you. It may mean you get canceled out. It may, it can mean many things, but freedom. Well, ultimately it bears consequence and there's reality to it. So when I think about social media, social media, I think a lot of people are being autonomous. It's like, nah, they're just screaming, or, you know, this or that and everything else. Which, I mean, to be honest, I think you need to get, you need to find a platform or some place to get things out. I think that's fair. You need to get your emotion out. I, I was on a show a little while ago and this gentleman, his, his dad committed suicide many years ago, and he himself committed suicide five years ago. And it was because he wasn't willing to get it out. And so I think we need these places of venting, but I think when I think about, um, like you were mentioning the societal norm, I think, we've all kind of been put to sleep. On the beauty of going beyond seeking relief. and so to that point, as I was mentioning earlier, I was right. My dad was, was a pastor of a mega church in a, you know, on a Christian setting. And I'll never forget, one day we're going for a drive and there was this beggar and I thought my dad was gonna give him money.'cause to some people he gives money and other people he didn't. I didn't know why. And he says, well, if I give this person money, he's gonna go drink. And I remember thinking, yeah, but he might need to, like, he looks pretty desperate. And that took me on a journey, where to be totally frank with you, when I now see someone who needs something, like even if I think, and I'm quite certain they might buy another hit or consume another bottle of alcohol. They got this, dazed look on them. I'll still part with$5 or 10 and pass it along. Here's why they're looking for what we all are looking for, which is relief. The only thing is if you stay at relief, so by the way, the bar can offer relief. A structure like church can offer relief, but at some point in time, In my spiritual, so I am a spiritual, faith-based person, but I don't attend a religious service, nor do I belong to a church or anything like that sooner, but later we, we must go beyond just seeking relief. Relief is yes, please, however, We get satiated with just constant relief. We want to take responsibility at some point in time. So, you know, I think that that ultimately, I dunno if that answers your question. Sorry for that long runaround, but I think, we seem to all be saying something. What we're saying in this churning, like this is a fourth churning we're in, we're poking out the structure. And I think ultimately, I mean society, this is what's been done over a hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, you know, every a hundred years. This happens once a fourth churning. So this isn't the first time we've gone through this. We're just poking at the structure.'cause we're, we're trying to hold'em to a standard of being more responsible. And I think we have to be careful that we ourselves don't fall into a trance of relief, and that's what we think it looks like to be a human being. I think it's fair to say relief is fine for the moment, but we have to get to a place where it's like your icon. You have this green leaves and then you have this hand. Responsibility looks at how will I attend to my response? How will I attend to, I've been gifted, the opportunity to perhaps plan something in a garden. And how, how will I, will I support life or will I pull from life?

Magic Barclay: 36:47

I love that now, James, is there something else before we wrap up that you wanna leave the listeners with? Mm-hmm.

James Heppner: 36:55

I think just the, uh, the nudging. When pain comes into your life, please accept it. cause if you don't, you'll likely have to go through a stage of learned helplessness. It happened for me when pain showed up in my life. I tried to eliminate it when I started utilizing what was there, and all of a sudden I transitioned. So I have an acronym that I created for pain. It's please accept inner Nudgings. And if you accept inner nudgings, now your pain can allow you to feel and bear the pressure. And when you bear the pressure from all sides, by the way, not one side from all sides, your press from all sides, you can bear the pressure and that pressure leads you to presence a deep abiding presence with yourself. Where you hear the distinct notes of who you are, the noise reduces, the signal increases, and from that place of presence, you wake up to your purpose. You come home to your purpose.'cause that's, you're so present. All you can do is just become aware of who you've always been way down, deep inside. And from that place of purpose, erupts passion, which is where your rebirth all takes you to a brand new life.

Magic Barclay: 38:07

now, people can find you@www.jameshepner.com. So that's J A M E S H e double p n e r.com. Before we let you go, we love giving our listeners freebies, what can you offer them and is that there on your website?

James Heppner: 38:29

Yeah. Fantastic. Thanks for asking. I currently have, uh, two freebies. The one freebie is I. We have a global, and you mentioned earlier, global, weekly wins and losses, virtual call. And to be frank with you, I can't think of a better way to bring new and raw truth to what your last week was really all about. This global call, it's a weekly, uh, no charge call happens every Friday at noon Pacific time. And so when you jump onto the simple call, it'll deliver a profound experience for you. And of course, I'm a little biased. I created this, but honestly, I can't think of a better way for you to clear the deck of all the unhelpful stings of last week's losses. And the reason we wanna do this is so that when the new week begins, you're best able to launch out of the gate invigorated and ready to take bold, courageous action forward. And of course, actually, without all the unhelpful sides of hesitation and delay. So I invite each one of you to show up and share as you wish, or simply observe others, share personal win or personal loss that stood out for them from the past week. When you come, I'm gonna help you understand and show you how to master the art. Who doesn't want to be prepared for anything? Win, lose or draw. Come in a and learn authentically how to celebrate both a win and a loss in real time, every time. And of course, the other free gift. and this is something that I just launched. Let's be honest listeners, I have, I have been with you, I have been with humanity and, and I have walked, uh, journeys with you. But we are now in a season of, of time, let's just say it like this, with, with all of, you know, what's happening, you know, in the global unrest, inflation rates, rising, interest rates, shooting up, gas prices, skyrocketing, you know, people like Tony Robbins say what's wrong in the world is always available, but so is what's right. And so instead of trying to hope and wish the world into a better place, it's time to make the most important decision any of us can ever make and any of any of you can ever make. And that is to invest in yourself. And so I'm offering for a limited time. And by the way, I'll say it this way, this will expire, but I'm offering for a limited time and it will also fill up.'cause these things do. I've offered certain things before. Not quite like this, but. I'm just here saying I gotta walk with you specifically individually. I'm willing to offer a consultation and I just call it a 45 minute strategic business life consultation. No charge, no strings attached, and this is where you're gonna be able to regain the reins of your life. I. And you're gonna gain clarity in exactly why you're stuck. We're gonna move you directly towards your optimal outcome. So we're not gonna be able to solve the world's problems, but we are gonna be able to like laser down and, and I can, and I can, and together you and I, we're gonna create, co-create this, but we're gonna be able to spot exactly where you're stuck and what you can do about it. So my clients, what they say about working with me, they say things like, They have a decrease in, in decision. They have an increase in clarity, confidence, and courage. They have an increase in fully capitalizing what's directly in front of them. They also say they have an, they have an increase in impact at work on their families and their communities. A decrease in pain and suffering and a decrease in anxiety. And so again, if you wanna move beyond old stories, get clear on where you're headed so that you can shake your world, you can simply go to my website and you'll see a little popup and uh, and that popup, you can just go and say, yes, I like to. Have that, and that will draw you to my calendar and you'll book a little time with me. And again, this will fill up. And so I encourage you to, and of course I also have one-on-one coaching and group work, and of course you could find all of that work. Uh, for those that are passionate about wanting to learn more about me and potentially working with me one-on-one. Uh, that's also found on that website that you mentioned.

Magic Barclay: 42:13

Fantastic. James, thank you so much for joining us. I've really, truly loved this conversation. It's been great.

James Heppner: 42:21

Fantastic. It was an honor. Thank you so

Magic Barclay: 42:23

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